I've just come across this guy, Gilad Atzmon, courtesy Blazing Cat Fur, reporting Alan Dershowitz's review of Atzmon's latest book, "The Wandering Who?".
Atzmon is a "proud self-hating jew". In fact, he is a Jew hater.
He says he's not an anti-semite -- how can he be? he's jewish, born in Israel and was in the Israeli Defense Forces -- but he's living proof that a Jew can in fact be a Jew hater and a vicious anti-semite. Ben-Gurion would have been kinder: what we call today "self-hating Jews", he said were "lacking self confidence".
Atzmon's own site is here. Have a look around, and see if it's not the sort of stuff, which said by anyone not Jewish, wouldn't be labelled racist anti-semitic bigotry.
In a recent post on his site Atzmon is quoted as saying:
In my entire writing career I have never criticized Jews as people, ethnicity or race.
Yet here he is, in January 2004's "On anti-semitism", saying:
That's Atzmon not criticising "Jews as people"? To say that they're trying to "control the world"?? Get a grip, man!
Atzmon says that Israel's actions towards Palestinians are the same as those of the Gestapo Nazis. That's an absurd and paranoid comparison. More, it's insane and sick.
He says that he wants to see a one State solution with Free Palestinians. And that if it's run by Islamists, so be it. That of course, means the end of Israel, the killing or displacement of all Jews in Israel. If that's what he wants, the destruction of Israel, why doesn't he say so, rather than come out with vile jew-hate and then proclaim himself free of bigotry and anti-semitism, when all he says is dripping with it.
I've ordered his latest book "The Wandering Who" which gets 4-stars, amazingly, on Amazon.
Amazon Review
Here is a 5-star review.
Excerpt from the review:
....Excerpts from the book:
"The `Jewish people' is a made-up notion, consisting of an imaginary past with very little to back it up forensically, historically or textually.
"Nor has much been found in the Sinai Desert to prove the story of the legendary Egyptian exodus - apparently 3 million Hebrew men, women and children marched there for forty years without leaving a single Matzo Ball behind.
"Jews do not have a common origin, that their Semitic origins are a myth. Jews have no origin in Palestine whatsoever, and therefore their act of so-called `return' must be realised as pretext for a tribal expansionist invasion.
"If Shlomo Sand is correct, then the Jews, rather than being a race, comprise a collective of many people who have been hijacked by a national movement based on myths.
"If Jews are not a race and have nothing to do with Semitism, then `anti-Semitism' is, categorically, an empty signifier. In other words, criticism of Jewish nationalism, Jewish lobbying and Jewish power can only be realised as a legitimate critique of ideology, politics and practice.
"Professor Yeshayahu Leibowitz, a Latvian-born philosopher at the Hebrew University, was probably first to suggest that the Holocaust has become the new Jewish religion.
"This new religion is coherent enough to define its `antichrists' (Holocaust deniers), and powerful enough to persecute them (through Holocaust denial and hate-speech laws).
"The Holocaust religion serves both right and left Jewish political discourse, but it appeals to the goyim as well, especially those who preach and advocate killing in the name of `freedom', democracy and `moral interventionism'.
"That which maintains the Jewish collective identity is fear.
"To be a Jew is to see a threat in every Goy, to be on a constant alert.
"...whatever is good for the Jews is simply good.
"The Jewish population in the UK is 280,000 or 0.46 per cent. There are 650 seats in the House of Commons so, as a proportion, Jewish entitlement is only three seats. With 24 seats Jews are eight times over-represented. Which means, of course, that other groups must be under-represented, including Muslims. If Muslims, for instance, were over-represented to the same extent as the Jews (i.e. eight times) they'd have 200 seats. All hell would break loose.
"Jewish history engages with the basic question of whether a given account is `good for the Jews' or not.
"The dismissal of factuality or lack of commitment to truthfulness are actually symptomatic of contemporary Jewish collective ideology and identity politic.
"In the Jewish intellectual insular world, one first decides what the historic moral is, then one invents `a past' to fit.
"As long as we fail to ask questions, we will be subjected to Zionist lobbies and their plots. We will continue killing in the name of Jewish suffering. We will maintain our complicity in Western imperialist crimes.
"With millions of besieged Palestinians, Israel has given itself the reputation of a pariah state.
"How is it that, in spite of the Holocaust, Israel and Jewish lobbies invest so much energy in evoking hatred towards enemies of Israel and world Jewry?
"...envisage an horrific situation in which an Israeli so-called `pre-emptive' nuclear attack on Iran escalates into a disastrous nuclear war, in which tens of millions of people perish.
Buy it NOW! One of the best books on the Jewish Question in the last 50 years!!!
And here is an answer to that review...
OK, lets debunk some of your quotes from the book.
QUOTE: "The `Jewish people' is a made-up notion, consisting of an imaginary past with very little to back it up forensically, historically or textually. "
REPLY: Dead Sea Schools & excavations in old Jerusalem should put this bogus claim to rest.
QUOTE: Nor has much been found in the Sinai Desert to prove the story of the legendary Egyptian exodus - apparently 3 million Hebrew men, women and children marched there for forty years without leaving a single Matzo Ball behind."
REPLY: 3000 years ago Jews were wondering through the desert, on their way from one place (Egypt) to another (Israel). The Bedouins in Sinai, they also don't leave a single sheesh kabab behind.
QUOTE: Jews do not have a common origin, that their Semitic origins are a myth. Jews have no origin in Palestine whatsoever, and therefore their act of so-called `return' must be realised as pretext for a tribal expansionist invasion. "
REPLY: Only a Saxophone player would miss the discovery of Y-chromosome linking Jews in Europe & ME to their ancestry. Read this published in NY Times:
"Y Chromosome Bears Witness to Story of the Jewish Diaspora.
By NICHOLAS WADE May 9, 2000
With a new technique based on the male or Y chromosome, biologists have traced the diaspora of Jewish populations from the dispersals that began in 586 B.C. to the modern communities of Europe and the Middle East. "
Source: http://www.csulb.edu/~kmacd/346genetics.html
QUOTE:The dismissal of factuality or lack of commitment to truthfulness are actually symptomatic of contemporary Jewish collective ideology and identity politic. "
REPLY: He should tell that load of crap to those 180 Jewish Nobel Laureates. Also, if that same load of crap is any true, successive Prime Ministers in U.K and U.S. Presidents would not seek the Jews advice and council how to run their respective countries..
He only express his own fears and prejudices. otherwise, no Jews that I know, talks like that.
QUOTE: "The Holocaust religion".
REPLY: This is just another one of those convoluted inventions concocted by marginal people - not from a self respecting individual.
In fact, it is Germany itself which since WWII had the courage, to taken this "religious" and remind humanities, the result of blind hatred of one group of humans against another. They are determined to not let it ever happen again to anyone - not just Jews.
So, Who's version of the Holocaust should we take. Germany, or two dubious "scholars".?
Atzmon is a "proud self-hating jew". In fact, he is a Jew hater.
He says he's not an anti-semite -- how can he be? he's jewish, born in Israel and was in the Israeli Defense Forces -- but he's living proof that a Jew can in fact be a Jew hater and a vicious anti-semite. Ben-Gurion would have been kinder: what we call today "self-hating Jews", he said were "lacking self confidence".
Atzmon's own site is here. Have a look around, and see if it's not the sort of stuff, which said by anyone not Jewish, wouldn't be labelled racist anti-semitic bigotry.
In a recent post on his site Atzmon is quoted as saying:
In my entire writing career I have never criticized Jews as people, ethnicity or race.
Yet here he is, in January 2004's "On anti-semitism", saying:
.... we must begin to take the accusation that the Jewish people are trying to control the world very seriously.That's straight out of the notorious forgery "The Protocols of the Elders of Zion", whose provenance, by the way, Atzmon says is irrelevant, since Jews really are trying to rule the world.
That's Atzmon not criticising "Jews as people"? To say that they're trying to "control the world"?? Get a grip, man!
Atzmon says that Israel's actions towards Palestinians are the same as those of the Gestapo Nazis. That's an absurd and paranoid comparison. More, it's insane and sick.
He says that he wants to see a one State solution with Free Palestinians. And that if it's run by Islamists, so be it. That of course, means the end of Israel, the killing or displacement of all Jews in Israel. If that's what he wants, the destruction of Israel, why doesn't he say so, rather than come out with vile jew-hate and then proclaim himself free of bigotry and anti-semitism, when all he says is dripping with it.
I've ordered his latest book "The Wandering Who" which gets 4-stars, amazingly, on Amazon.
Amazon Review
Here is a 5-star review.
Excerpt from the review:
....Excerpts from the book:
"The `Jewish people' is a made-up notion, consisting of an imaginary past with very little to back it up forensically, historically or textually.
"Nor has much been found in the Sinai Desert to prove the story of the legendary Egyptian exodus - apparently 3 million Hebrew men, women and children marched there for forty years without leaving a single Matzo Ball behind.
"Jews do not have a common origin, that their Semitic origins are a myth. Jews have no origin in Palestine whatsoever, and therefore their act of so-called `return' must be realised as pretext for a tribal expansionist invasion.
"If Shlomo Sand is correct, then the Jews, rather than being a race, comprise a collective of many people who have been hijacked by a national movement based on myths.
"If Jews are not a race and have nothing to do with Semitism, then `anti-Semitism' is, categorically, an empty signifier. In other words, criticism of Jewish nationalism, Jewish lobbying and Jewish power can only be realised as a legitimate critique of ideology, politics and practice.
"Professor Yeshayahu Leibowitz, a Latvian-born philosopher at the Hebrew University, was probably first to suggest that the Holocaust has become the new Jewish religion.
"This new religion is coherent enough to define its `antichrists' (Holocaust deniers), and powerful enough to persecute them (through Holocaust denial and hate-speech laws).
"The Holocaust religion serves both right and left Jewish political discourse, but it appeals to the goyim as well, especially those who preach and advocate killing in the name of `freedom', democracy and `moral interventionism'.
"That which maintains the Jewish collective identity is fear.
"To be a Jew is to see a threat in every Goy, to be on a constant alert.
"...whatever is good for the Jews is simply good.
"The Jewish population in the UK is 280,000 or 0.46 per cent. There are 650 seats in the House of Commons so, as a proportion, Jewish entitlement is only three seats. With 24 seats Jews are eight times over-represented. Which means, of course, that other groups must be under-represented, including Muslims. If Muslims, for instance, were over-represented to the same extent as the Jews (i.e. eight times) they'd have 200 seats. All hell would break loose.
"Jewish history engages with the basic question of whether a given account is `good for the Jews' or not.
"The dismissal of factuality or lack of commitment to truthfulness are actually symptomatic of contemporary Jewish collective ideology and identity politic.
"In the Jewish intellectual insular world, one first decides what the historic moral is, then one invents `a past' to fit.
"As long as we fail to ask questions, we will be subjected to Zionist lobbies and their plots. We will continue killing in the name of Jewish suffering. We will maintain our complicity in Western imperialist crimes.
"With millions of besieged Palestinians, Israel has given itself the reputation of a pariah state.
"How is it that, in spite of the Holocaust, Israel and Jewish lobbies invest so much energy in evoking hatred towards enemies of Israel and world Jewry?
"...envisage an horrific situation in which an Israeli so-called `pre-emptive' nuclear attack on Iran escalates into a disastrous nuclear war, in which tens of millions of people perish.
Buy it NOW! One of the best books on the Jewish Question in the last 50 years!!!
And here is an answer to that review...
OK, lets debunk some of your quotes from the book.
QUOTE: "The `Jewish people' is a made-up notion, consisting of an imaginary past with very little to back it up forensically, historically or textually. "
REPLY: Dead Sea Schools & excavations in old Jerusalem should put this bogus claim to rest.
QUOTE: Nor has much been found in the Sinai Desert to prove the story of the legendary Egyptian exodus - apparently 3 million Hebrew men, women and children marched there for forty years without leaving a single Matzo Ball behind."
REPLY: 3000 years ago Jews were wondering through the desert, on their way from one place (Egypt) to another (Israel). The Bedouins in Sinai, they also don't leave a single sheesh kabab behind.
QUOTE: Jews do not have a common origin, that their Semitic origins are a myth. Jews have no origin in Palestine whatsoever, and therefore their act of so-called `return' must be realised as pretext for a tribal expansionist invasion. "
REPLY: Only a Saxophone player would miss the discovery of Y-chromosome linking Jews in Europe & ME to their ancestry. Read this published in NY Times:
"Y Chromosome Bears Witness to Story of the Jewish Diaspora.
By NICHOLAS WADE May 9, 2000
With a new technique based on the male or Y chromosome, biologists have traced the diaspora of Jewish populations from the dispersals that began in 586 B.C. to the modern communities of Europe and the Middle East. "
Source: http://www.csulb.edu/~kmacd/346genetics.html
QUOTE:The dismissal of factuality or lack of commitment to truthfulness are actually symptomatic of contemporary Jewish collective ideology and identity politic. "
REPLY: He should tell that load of crap to those 180 Jewish Nobel Laureates. Also, if that same load of crap is any true, successive Prime Ministers in U.K and U.S. Presidents would not seek the Jews advice and council how to run their respective countries..
He only express his own fears and prejudices. otherwise, no Jews that I know, talks like that.
QUOTE: "The Holocaust religion".
REPLY: This is just another one of those convoluted inventions concocted by marginal people - not from a self respecting individual.
In fact, it is Germany itself which since WWII had the courage, to taken this "religious" and remind humanities, the result of blind hatred of one group of humans against another. They are determined to not let it ever happen again to anyone - not just Jews.
So, Who's version of the Holocaust should we take. Germany, or two dubious "scholars".?
