"On the Maintenance of Civilization". Sam Harris in conversation with Douglas Murray

In this episode of the Waking Up podcast, Sam Harris speaks with author Douglas Murray about Islamism, liberalism, civil society, and the migrant crisis in Europe.

Sam Harris is one of the clearest and most eloquent speakers and writers I know.  And Douglas Murray is spot on. You don't need to take this in one gulp, but it's certainly a worthwhile conversation to listen to, concerning perhaps the greatest issue of our day.  Climate change won't matter if we don't have a civilization to protect.